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My husband* had a wonderful surprise for me when I got home from work today: a taped episode of "Andromeda" with Spike in it! Er, well, James Marsters really, but the character was pretty darn Spike-like on the surface, what with the bleached hair and the kinda British accent. Hee! I squealed and everything.

How is it that I didn't know this existed? I mean, I'm an obsessed fangirl. Shouldn't I know about James Marsters having appeared in other sci fi series? (Andromeda's a show I've seen enough eps of to be intrigued, but not enough to really understand what's going on.)

*use of the term "husband" not meant to imply that I'm straight

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Date: 2005-02-18 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chase820.livejournal.com
God, that episode was so orfel. No wonder they could never get JM back to reprise the character.

That said, he was awfully, awfully pretty in it, wasn't he? I love the two-tone hair.

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Date: 2005-02-18 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowscast.livejournal.com
Mmmm, pretty. Yes indeed. And there was the obligatory gratuitous bare-chested scene, too!

I'm quite fond of the two-toned hair, myself! The only time we see Spike with that look is in his first crazy!basement ep, right?

Embarrassing fact: when I was younger, I didn't realize the two-toned look was the result of a dye job growing out. I thought people did it on purpose, painstakingly dying just the tip of each hunk of hair.

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Date: 2005-02-18 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chase820.livejournal.com
What I like about that two-tone basement scene is that it's proof-positive Jossverse vampires have hair that grows just like everybody else's.

This is very useful if you like changing Spike's look in fics, which I do. I've seen a few where he's stuck with the platinum forever, and that kinda sucks.

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Date: 2005-02-18 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowscast.livejournal.com
Hey, you know, that's a good point! I guess that is the only proof.

Now that you've got me thinking along those lines...I guess it's also proof that Spike's as hairless as a prepubescent boy. 'Cause it's only logical that if he's too far gone to dye his hair, he's also too far gone to shave, and he certainly wasn't showing any 5 o'clock shadow. :P :)

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Date: 2005-02-18 08:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chase820.livejournal.com
Hmmm, good point. Well, JM used to wax himself shiny playing Spike, so one could wank that Spike doesn't have much natural body hair at all. Doesn't quite work, though, does it?

Y'know, there's no sense even trying to make Jossverse canon re vampire biology work, is there? I mean, they never did satisfactorily explain why they're able to eat, when in 99% of the other vamp stories out there they can't. Not to get gross, but where does the food go?

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Date: 2005-02-18 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowscast.livejournal.com
I wave my hands and say "poof, it's magic!"

Personally I'm rather fond of the body-hairless Spike idea. But that's just my kink...

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Date: 2005-02-19 06:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chase820.livejournal.com
You and [livejournal.com profile] deborahmm, man. Have you read her Furnitureverse series? Lots of shaving goodness in that one.

I prefer him smooth and shiny myself. It's always a bit of a shock to see James off-season with actual body hair.

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Date: 2005-02-19 07:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowscast.livejournal.com
Have you read her Furnitureverse series?

I have, I have indeed. :) In fact it's a plot point there that he's not naturally hairless (I think that aesthetician must be one of the most evil OCs ever created for a fanfic!)

Husbands and sexual orientation

Date: 2005-02-18 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mofic.livejournal.com
*use of the term "husband" not meant to imply that I'm straight

Bwah! Glad you clarified.

Mo

Re: Husbands and sexual orientation

Date: 2005-02-18 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowscast.livejournal.com
Hm, pr'haps that was a little apropos nothing? But it's been on my mind lately...maybe especially today because I had the "why we do not insult our classmates by calling them gay" talk with one of my grade 9s today.

It really bugs me, actually, that every time I refer to my husband in conversation I'm sending out this implicit message of straightness. Not that there's anything wrong with being straight—heh—but the politics of it depress me. I feel like every time I let people think I'm straight, I'm doing my little bit for queer invisibility. Ugh. But at the same time, I am in a monogamous het relationship, all legally married and everything. My orientation may not be straight, but my lifestyle certainly is.

Thus the footnote.

Re: Husbands and sexual orientation

Date: 2005-02-21 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowscast.livejournal.com
I totally have a LJ crush on you, Posh.

Re: Husbands and sexual orientation

Date: 2005-02-25 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poshcat.livejournal.com
::blushes:: The second I commented, I thought, "God, here she is trying to have a serious discussion and here I am humping her. I suck."

Heh. Never mind. ::waves jauntily at your lucky husband::

Re: Husbands and sexual orientation

Date: 2005-02-19 01:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trepkos.livejournal.com
It really bugs me, actually, that every time I refer to my husband in conversation I'm sending out this implicit message of straightness

Well, you don't HAVE to say "husband" just because you are married - you could say partner...

I know what you mean - if I get into any kind of acquaintanceship with anyone, I feel obliged to bring up my bisexuality in some way - reference to an old girlfriend etc. just so as not to do the invisibility thing.

Re: Husbands and sexual orientation

Date: 2005-02-19 07:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowscast.livejournal.com
Well, you don't HAVE to say "husband" just because you are married - you could say partner...

In fact I do that occasionally, to keep people wondering...but then as soon as I use a pronoun the game's up.

I know what you mean - if I get into any kind of acquaintanceship with anyone, I feel obliged to bring up my bisexuality in some way - reference to an old girlfriend etc. just so as not to do the invisibility thing.

Totally! But how to do that without it seeming totally contrived? Especially in situations where you don't tend to reveal much personal information anyway.

Re: Husbands and sexual orientation

Date: 2005-02-19 08:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trepkos.livejournal.com
Well, I was totally outrageous the other day - my mum (who if you remember, I don't like) was showing us some pictures of her mum, my granny, as a young girl, and I said "I'd have 'er"! Channelling Drusilla or what?
Yeah, its hard, but there's usually some point at which you can challenge someone's expectations: even if its not in direct relation to yourself, you can find ways to show you're pro-equality. "My friend Steve's boyfriend..." etc.

Re: Husbands and sexual orientation

Date: 2005-02-19 04:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mofic.livejournal.com
It is a serious topic, and I'm sorry if it seemed like I was laughing at it, rather than just at the perceived oddness of the interjection. You do live a heterosexual lifestyle, so to what extent does queerness enter into it? I think part of it has to do with how strongly you identify by sexual orientation. Because when we're talking about homosexuality, heterosexuality, and bisexuality, we're not necessarily all talking about the same things. Those can be terms of orientation, or sexual behavior, or of identity. It's really easy when they all line up together, but they don't always. For some that's more important than for others. So to some people if they've made a decision to live monogamously in a same-sex or opposite-sex relationship, bisexuality just no longer obtains. It's like interjecting that one is sometimes attracted to tall people when one's longterm lover is short. For others it's a major point of identity.

And then beyond internal feelings of identity, there's identity politics. You do have heterosexual privilege. Does having it mean accepting the privilege? Is pointing out that one isn't straight trying to have it both ways - accepting privilege but distancing oneself from it? And how does the whole changing legal climate where you live affect that? It lessens the privilege differential, certainly.

Anyway, I do think this is all interesting stuff and topics I've thought about a lot. I was in a (legally unrecognized) marriage to a woman for over 25 years, and we had three kids together. We're all affected in many ways - legal and social - by that lack of recognition. FWIW, I referred to her as my spouse. Wife seemed too gendered to me, but I wanted to make clear that our perfectly valid marriage was not on a different plane or of a different (lesser) level of commitment than those that received the privileges we did not.

Mo

Re: Husbands and sexual orientation

Date: 2005-02-19 07:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowscast.livejournal.com
Don't worry, I didn't think you were laughing at anything but the oddness of the interjection. :) And I was perfectly aware that that was odd, which was why I decided to explain it.

The questions you raise are all good ones, in that there's no easy answers for them.

If queer people had equal rights in Canadian society and homophobia didn't exist—if the gender of one's spouse was widely considered as unremarkable as their height—I don't think I'd worry about people assuming I'm straight. It wouldn't matter any more than if they assumed, from looking at my husband, that I prefer blonds. (Also untrue, but irrelevant, you know?) But queer people are still marginalized here (though the situation seems to be improving—equal marriage is just around the corner, yay!) and one part of that is the "Well, nobody I know is gay" syndrome.

And I'm keenly aware of the privileges I'm accorded because I went and married a man instead of a woman. (Hey, I wrote an essay about this once for one of my education classes—I think I'll post it!) I am not out as bi at work—I work at a very conservative private school where I'm on a one year contract, and I don't know of any out staff or students there. If I had a wife instead of a husband, would I have brought her to the staff Christmas party? I really don't know.

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Date: 2005-02-19 01:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trepkos.livejournal.com
Wasn't the salute with Tyr fabulous? I don't know how they didn't crack up!

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Date: 2005-02-19 07:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowscast.livejournal.com
Fabulous indeed. :) And hey, magic of television—if you crack up you get another take!

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Date: 2005-02-19 03:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shapinglight
Andromeda is total shite, but I love that Charlemagne/Tyr scene.

Talk about UST!

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Date: 2005-02-19 07:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowscast.livejournal.com
Oh yeah. "Marry my sister," indeed.

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Date: 2005-02-21 12:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vureoelt.livejournal.com
I didn't realize he watched Andromeda... or does he?

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Date: 2005-02-21 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowscast.livejournal.com
He's started to, what with him being unemployed and us magically having free cable.

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Date: 2005-02-22 07:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vureoelt.livejournal.com
Huh. Strange... I couldn't find what channel it is airing on and so forth.

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Date: 2005-02-23 12:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vureoelt.livejournal.com
Blast. No wonder... I don't get Space.

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